Clayton was an asset to this team. I widh him the best wherever he lands.

If the comments in the paper are accurate, this is the results of not having a professional GM.

rovot wrote:

Clayton was an asset to this team. I widh him the best wherever he lands. If the comments in the paper are accurate, this is the results of not having a professional GM.

According to Kake it is the other way around, Clayton didn't want to sign the contract and was looking elsewhere.

I think Clayton just joined the ranks of chickenshit "I'll be there to play" payers that end up going somewhere else.

kind of reminds me of what Jagar did to the pittsburgh penguins. when things were not looking to great he wanted out.

I would say good luck clayton wherever you go. However it sounds like he broke his end of the agreement and pretty much jumped ship just like Laplante and Weibe did last season. So no I don't wish him good luck. in fact I hope whatever team lands him does not even make the playoffs. serves him right.

retire his number in the rafter and have it say
#38 Traitor

TeamRoper wrote:

rovot wrote: Clayton was an asset to this team. I widh him the best wherever he lands. If the comments in the paper are accurate, this is the results of not having a professional GM. According to Kake it is the other way around, Clayton didn't want to sign the contract and was looking elsewhere. I think Clayton just joined the ranks of chickenshit "I'll be there to play" payers that end up going somewhere else.

So you are saying that some how Clayton prevented the Thunder GM for making a qualifing contract offer prior to August 1st?

Obviously he didn't get a real offer and now Thunder management is trying to weasle out of responsiblity.

rovot wrote:

TeamRoper wrote: rovot wrote: Clayton was an asset to this team. I widh him the best wherever he lands. If the comments in the paper are accurate, this is the results of not having a professional GM. According to Kake it is the other way around, Clayton didn't want to sign the contract and was looking elsewhere. I think Clayton just joined the ranks of chickenshit "I'll be there to play" payers that end up going somewhere else. So you are saying that some how Clayton prevented the Thunder GM for making a qualifing contract offer prior to August 1st? Obviously he didn't get a real offer and now Thunder management is trying to weasle out of responsiblity.

From what Kake stated is that he was offered the contract but did not sign it, or want to sign it.

I guess I am confused on what the requirements, are if the Thunder offered him a wage the same as last year plus a percentage for increases and presents the contract to him or calls and tell him it is ready to come in and sign and he doesn't, from what I have read that means we still have his rights. But according to what is happening he actually has to sign it.

A guy would think after twelve years when he talls you he is going to sign it when he get in there, I would think you have to give him that respect. I think this is soley on Clayton, it was there to sign he refused.

TeamRoper wrote:

rovot wrote: TeamRoper wrote: rovot wrote: Clayton was an asset to this team. I widh him the best wherever he lands. If the comments in the paper are accurate, this is the results of not having a professional GM. According to Kake it is the other way around, Clayton didn't want to sign the contract and was looking elsewhere. I think Clayton just joined the ranks of chickenshit "I'll be there to play" payers that end up going somewhere else. So you are saying that some how Clayton prevented the Thunder GM for making a qualifing contract offer prior to August 1st? Obviously he didn't get a real offer and now Thunder management is trying to weasle out of responsiblity. From what Kake stated is that he was offered the contract but did not sign it, or want to sign it. I guess I am confused on what the requirements, are if the Thunder offered him a wage the same as last year plus a percentage for increases and presents the contract to him or calls and tell him it is ready to come in and sign and he doesn't, from what I have read that means we still have his rights. But according to what is happening he actually has to sign it. A guy would think after twelve years when he talls you he is going to sign it when he get in there, I would think you have to give him that respect. I think this is soley on Clayton, it was there to sign he refused.

If the Thunder made a "Qualifying Contracr Offer" it doesn't make any damn difference if he signed it ot not. The Thunder have his rights and he is not a free agent.

wrong!!

doesn't matter what kind of contract the thunder offered clayts. He is a free agent!! Read my post up above. Clayts like duda normally signed multiple year contracts. If his contract he signed was up at the end of last season he is a free agent PERIOD! hE FULLFILLED HIS 2 YEAR OBLIGATION and doesn't have to accept any new offer from team if doesn't desire.

Just cause the thunder org. have dangled clayts and duda signing every year in front of your eyes doesn't mean they were actually waiting for them to sign. (hence the multiple year contract)

stoney wrote:

wrong!! doesn't matter what kind of contract the thunder offered clayts. He is a free agent!! Read my post up above. Clayts like duda normally signed multiple year contracts. If his contract he signed was up at the end of last season he is a free agent PERIOD! hE FULLFILLED HIS 2 YEAR OBLIGATION and doesn't have to accept any new offer from team if doesn't desire. Just cause the thunder org. have dangled clayts and duda signing every year in front of your eyes doesn't mean they were actually waiting for them to sign. (hence the multiple year contract)

If that is the case the CHL is different than any other league. It makes no difference wether it is a one year or a multi year contract, when the contract expires the team must make a "Qualifing Contract Offer" by a deadline to retain rights to the player.

So Stoney as we all knew - you're full of shit!

rovot wrote:

TeamRoper wrote: rovot wrote: TeamRoper wrote: rovot wrote: Clayton was an asset to this team. I widh him the best wherever he lands. If the comments in the paper are accurate, this is the results of not having a professional GM. According to Kake it is the other way around, Clayton didn't want to sign the contract and was looking elsewhere. I think Clayton just joined the ranks of chickenshit "I'll be there to play" payers that end up going somewhere else. So you are saying that some how Clayton prevented the Thunder GM for making a qualifing contract offer prior to August 1st? Obviously he didn't get a real offer and now Thunder management is trying to weasle out of responsiblity. From what Kake stated is that he was offered the contract but did not sign it, or want to sign it. I guess I am confused on what the requirements, are if the Thunder offered him a wage the same as last year plus a percentage for increases and presents the contract to him or calls and tell him it is ready to come in and sign and he doesn't, from what I have read that means we still have his rights. But according to what is happening he actually has to sign it. A guy would think after twelve years when he talls you he is going to sign it when he get in there, I would think you have to give him that respect. I think this is soley on Clayton, it was there to sign he refused. If the Thunder made a "Qualifying Contracr Offer" it doesn't make any damn difference if he signed it ot not. The Thunder have his rights and he is not a free agent.

That is why I was asking what is the details on a "QC" is it offer or signing a letter of intent or giving a DNA sample.

How does a team prove it gave the offer E-mails, fax or pigeon?

Certified mail showing it was delivered?

Come on speed your the nerd here.

rovot wrote:

stoney wrote: wrong!! doesn't matter what kind of contract the thunder offered clayts. He is a free agent!! Read my post up above. Clayts like duda normally signed multiple year contracts. If his contract he signed was up at the end of last season he is a free agent PERIOD! hE FULLFILLED HIS 2 YEAR OBLIGATION and doesn't have to accept any new offer from team if doesn't desire. Just cause the thunder org. have dangled clayts and duda signing every year in front of your eyes doesn't mean they were actually waiting for them to sign. (hence the multiple year contract) the team must make a "Qualifing Contract Offer" by a deadline to retain rights to the player. So Stoney as we all knew - you're full of shit!

hmmm by a deadline??? and do you suppose that was done...bottom line is he is a free agent and looking elsewhere. Enjoy duda!!

and not completely full but working on it!! (maybe after lunch)

the thunder should have asked fleck to help. he could have made clayton sign the contract.

TeamRoper wrote:

rovot wrote: TeamRoper wrote: rovot wrote: TeamRoper wrote: rovot wrote: Clayton was an asset to this team. I widh him the best wherever he lands. If the comments in the paper are accurate, this is the results of not having a professional GM. According to Kake it is the other way around, Clayton didn't want to sign the contract and was looking elsewhere. I think Clayton just joined the ranks of chickenshit "I'll be there to play" payers that end up going somewhere else. So you are saying that some how Clayton prevented the Thunder GM for making a qualifing contract offer prior to August 1st? Obviously he didn't get a real offer and now Thunder management is trying to weasle out of responsiblity. From what Kake stated is that he was offered the contract but did not sign it, or want to sign it. I guess I am confused on what the requirements, are if the Thunder offered him a wage the same as last year plus a percentage for increases and presents the contract to him or calls and tell him it is ready to come in and sign and he doesn't, from what I have read that means we still have his rights. But according to what is happening he actually has to sign it. A guy would think after twelve years when he talls you he is going to sign it when he get in there, I would think you have to give him that respect. I think this is soley on Clayton, it was there to sign he refused. If the Thunder made a "Qualifying Contracr Offer" it doesn't make any damn difference if he signed it ot not. The Thunder have his rights and he is not a free agent. That is why I was asking what is the details on a "QC" is it offer or signing a letter of intent or giving a DNA sample. How does a team prove it gave the offer E-mails, fax or pigeon? Certified mail showing it was delivered? Come on speed your the nerd here.

Just guessing now - but all contracts have to be approved by the league, so I would assume the offer would be made through the league offices.

That might make some sense...

rules regarding qualifying offers

I read posts here often, but I rarely write in to comment. I wanted to comment on this, however. I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to figuring out the CHL rules. Anyway, here goes:

What happens is, an organization can "protect" a certain number of players, and they do this by submitting a list to the league. For the players on that list, the organization must offer them a contract with at least a 10% raise on what the player earned the year before. If a player is not protected, and is not under contract, he becomes a free agent as of August 1st. Sometimes, players will even negotiate in their contracts to become a free agent at the end of a season (many vets will do this).

It appears that Clayton was not protected by the team. Who knows why they did this. Maybe it's because they anticipated getting him under contract anyway, or they thought he would want to stay. Either way, if they really wanted him to stay, they should have put him on that protected list AND offered him a qualifying contract. You have to have both - not just the qualifying contract.

Didn't OKC just sign Fleck, now Clayton want to find another league. Haha

Clayton had several good years for the Thunder, but the last few, the Hustle and Heart just haven't been there. So I say SEE YA.

1997-98 Wichita Thunder CHL 70 27 35 62 84 15 5 2 7 12
1998-99 Wichita Thunder CHL 69 25 57 82 95 4 1 0 1 8
1999-00 Wichita Thunder CHL 66 42 43 85 155 5 5 3 8 6
2000-01 Kansas City Blades IHL 11 0 2 2 4 -- -- -- -- --
2000-01 Wichita Thunder CHL 63 34 39 73 130 -- -- -- -- --
2000-01 Detroit Vipers IHL 1 0 1 1 0 -- -- -- -- --
2001-02 Wichita Thunder CHL 57 24 43 67 48 -- -- -- -- --
2002-03 Wichita Thunder CHL 63 35 57 92 109 -- -- -- -- --
2003-04 Wichita Thunder CHL 64 27 52 79 66 9 6 4 10 12
2004-05 Wichita Thunder CHL 60 39 54 93 88 13 6 6 12 14
2005-06 Wichita Thunder CHL 58 27 56 83 109 5 0 3 3 9
2006-07 Wichita Thunder CHL 64 30 38 68 114 6 4 2 6 12
2007-08 Wichita Thunder CHL 62 16 34 50 65 -- -- -- -- --

16 Goals and 65 PIMs that's not the same Clayton from several years back, playing with more heart than anyone on the ice and finding a way to score that crucial goal.

Last season 85 Players in the CHL had more goals than Clayton.

ThunderStruck wrote:

Didn't OKC just sign Fleck, now Clayton want to find another league. Haha Clayton had several good years for the Thunder, but the last few, the Hustle and Heart just haven't been there. So I say SEE YA. 1997-98 Wichita Thunder CHL 70 27 35 62 84 15 5 2 7 12 1998-99 Wichita Thunder CHL 69 25 57 82 95 4 1 0 1 8 1999-00 Wichita Thunder CHL 66 42 43 85 155 5 5 3 8 6 2000-01 Kansas City Blades IHL 11 0 2 2 4 -- -- -- -- -- 2000-01 Wichita Thunder CHL 63 34 39 73 130 -- -- -- -- -- 2000-01 Detroit Vipers IHL 1 0 1 1 0 -- -- -- -- -- 2001-02 Wichita Thunder CHL 57 24 43 67 48 -- -- -- -- -- 2002-03 Wichita Thunder CHL 63 35 57 92 109 -- -- -- -- -- 2003-04 Wichita Thunder CHL 64 27 52 79 66 9 6 4 10 12 2004-05 Wichita Thunder CHL 60 39 54 93 88 13 6 6 12 14 2005-06 Wichita Thunder CHL 58 27 56 83 109 5 0 3 3 9 2006-07 Wichita Thunder CHL 64 30 38 68 114 6 4 2 6 12 2007-08 Wichita Thunder CHL 62 16 34 50 65 -- -- -- -- -- 16 Goals and 65 PIMs that's not the same Clayton from several years back, playing with more heart than anyone on the ice and finding a way to score that crucial goal. Last season 85 Players in the CHL had more goals than Clayton.

He was tied for first in goals on the team and the saddest part is, only one Thunder Player had more points than Clayton did last season.

Re: rules regarding qualifying offers

bighockeyfan wrote:

I read posts here often, but I rarely write in to comment. I wanted to comment on this, however. I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to figuring out the CHL rules. Anyway, here goes: What happens is, an organization can "protect" a certain number of players, and they do this by submitting a list to the league. For the players on that list, the organization must offer them a contract with at least a 10% raise on what the player earned the year before. If a player is not protected, and is not under contract, he becomes a free agent as of August 1st. Sometimes, players will even negotiate in their contracts to become a free agent at the end of a season (many vets will do this). It appears that Clayton was not protected by the team. Who knows why they did this. Maybe it's because they anticipated getting him under contract anyway, or they thought he would want to stay. Either way, if they really wanted him to stay, they should have put him on that protected list AND offered him a qualifying contract. You have to have both - not just the qualifying contract.

This is essentially how I understand it, however, I was under the impression that all a team had to do to protect its rights (with the exception of players who negotiated a Free Agent Clause) to a player was offer him a contract at least 85% of what he made last year, or the league minimum, whichever was greater. This will change once the PHPA negotiates an agreement with the league.

Also, this only applies to his CHL rights, a player without a contract can sign with any team in another league, he just can sign with another CHL team if his rights are protected.

Al?

RLR

deadbolt wrote:

I would say good luck clayton wherever you go. However it sounds like he broke his end of the agreement and pretty much jumped ship just like Laplante and Weibe did last season. So no I don't wish him good luck. in fact I hope whatever team lands him does not even make the playoffs. serves him right. retire his number in the rafter and have it say #38 Traitor

Nonsense, one of these days, if I get ever drunk or pi$$ed enough, I'm going to share what actually happened with the Laplante trade. I know a little more than the average fan, since I sent the text message that let him know he was being shopped, something he didn't know before I sent said message.

Clayton has earned the right to do whatever he wants after all he's given to the team.

Al?

RLR

Re: rules regarding qualifying offers

bighockeyfan wrote:

It appears that Clayton was not protected by the team. Who knows why they did this. Maybe it's because they anticipated getting him under contract anyway, or they thought he would want to stay. Either way, if they really wanted him to stay, they should have put him on that protected list AND offered him a qualifying contract. You have to have both - not just the qualifying contract.

AS I said initially, this is what happens when you don't have a professional GM.