fred wrote:

Now that we have that cleared up we can debate the effects of full employment. The government doesn't want unemployment. They want low inflation and a growing economy. See if they keep rates low the unemployment rate will go down a little. But if they are low for too long there will be inflation. Inflation hurts the lower income people far more than the upper. Or even the middle class.

that is another lie. if there were ever more jobs than people who need them, then labor wouldl control the job market and big business would have to pay higher wages. using an artificallly established level of "full employent" intitutionalizes that practice (keeping people unemployed to assure the maintennce of a low wage workforce for big business).
ps-if any of this is true, then why are there 8500 unemployed people in your town and only 400 available jobs. you need to provide "proof" that those 8500 people do not want jobs or proof that your town has enough jobs for them.

fred wrote:

I gave you a bunch for full employment. The one there is now accepted number for is that natural rate of unemployment.

another lie. the % rates for full employment range all the way from 2% to 10%, depending on which economist you listen to. and they change over time and according to economic situations.

You keep making my arguement. I hadn't found one that said 10%. But everybody knows there are, for arguements sake 2-10% of the people who don't want to work or are between jobs for some small amount of time.

Our unemployment rate in Huntsville is around 4%. Well in your range of full employment.

fred wrote:

You keep making my arguement. I hadn't found one that said 10%. But everybody knows there are, for arguements sake 2-10% of the people who don't want to work or are between jobs for some small amount of time.

another lie. a racist and a bigot who wants to make it seems like black people and poor people are lazy can make up any % he wants to justify that crap. unlike economic theory, whcih is very complicated, this issue is very simple. all you have to do is prove that the 8500 unemployed people in your town do not want to work or prove that your town has jobs for all of them. until then, you are just another racist with a one track mind.

fred wrote:

Our unemployment rate in Huntsville is around 4%. Well in your range of full employment.

unlike you, fred, i don't have an acceptable "range of unemployment" to justify my bigotry and racism. if 8500 people are unemployed and are capable of working, then there should be a liveable wage job for them. only then can we stop the gov't subsidization of big business' workforce.

You go to the trouble to post your definition, but don't believe it?

"if 8500 people are unemployed and are capable of working, then there should be a liveable wage job for them"


Back to that. What is a livable wage?

jc wrote:

"people dont want a job" and "look at the newspaper ads" are well known racist, redneck propoganda. since you are so big on "proof", how about you PROVE how many unemployed people don't "want" a job ("proof" should be in the form of a valid, reliable scientific study that has been published in a legitimate journal). let me know when you have that "proof". until then, i will consider all this as more of your's and fred's racism.

You are so full of shit it's ridiculous. Where did I ever bring race into this? I've known a lot of lazy fucks who didn't feel like getting off their asses and finding a job and every damn one of them was white. I don't dispute the idea that there are more unemployed people than there are jobs available. But the point is, considering how many jobs are out there, week after week, there are jobs availbable for at least some of those that want them. Your little bullshit tactic of calling everyone a racist isn't going to make you look any smarter. Everyone can already see that you're full of shit.

fred wrote:

"if 8500 people are unemployed and are capable of working, then there should be a liveable wage job for them" Back to that. What is a livable wage?

i've already explained that. now maybe you can explain how many jobs your town has available for those 8500 unemployed people. or how many of them you can prove do not want a job.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: "people dont want a job" and "look at the newspaper ads" are well known racist, redneck propoganda. since you are so big on "proof", how about you PROVE how many unemployed people don't "want" a job ("proof" should be in the form of a valid, reliable scientific study that has been published in a legitimate journal). let me know when you have that "proof". until then, i will consider all this as more of your's and fred's racism. You are so full of shit it's ridiculous. Where did I ever bring race into this? I've known a lot of lazy fucks who didn't feel like getting off their asses and finding a job and every damn one of them was white. I don't dispute the idea that there are more unemployed people than there are jobs available. But the point is, considering how many jobs are out there, week after week, there are jobs availbable for at least some of those that want them. Your little bullshit tactic of calling everyone a racist isn't going to make you look any smarter. Everyone can already see that you're full of shit.

i didn't call you a racist. not in that post. i merely said that the statements you were making are well known redneck, racist propoganda. it is actually difficult to know if you are actually a racist or just so ignorant that you can't tell when you are acting like one. i tried to give you the benefit of the doubt this time. just look at what that got me.

If when I go by McDonalds on my way home, the big sign thats says help wanted is still up I will tell you tomorrow there are 8500 that don't really want a job. My daughter who is 21 has not gone one day without a job since she was 16. For some of that time she had more than one.

fred wrote:

If when I go by McDonalds on my way home, the big sign thats says help wanted is still up I will tell you tomorrow there are 8500 that don't really want a job. My daughter who is 21 has not gone one day without a job since she was 16. For some of that time she had more than one.

not good enough, fred. too many uncontrolled variables. i'm going to need a valid, reliable, scientific study to prove how many of the 8500 do not want a job.

What is uncontrolled about a job being available and people not taking it? I bet every McDonalds is hiring along with every WalMart.

fred wrote:

What is uncontrolled about a job being available and people not taking it? I bet every McDonalds is hiring along with every WalMart.

and those jobs will be filled by people who were either unemployed or who moved from another job. so will the mcd and walmart jobs that become available after those. elsewise, mcd's and walmart will soon be out of business.
however, none of that proves either of your main tenets, that unemployed people do not want a job and that there are plenty of jobs for everyone. provide scientific proof that the 8500 unemployed people do not want a job or that there are 8500 jobs for them. until then, all your bullshit is just that,,,,bullshit.

"and those jobs will be filled by people who were either unemployed or who moved from another job"

Those are the people who want a job. If I didn't have a job and wanted one, I would break my neck to be the first in line. There wouldn't be the same sign up 2 days in a row. A good friends son decided to be a retard and quit school after last year. But he wanted to work, so he started as a life guard at the pool. Then found he could make more money working at Pizza Hut. Then he found he could make even more working at the movie theatre. Then he heard about a job opening at the county water department. (Now he has Even more money and benefits.) All this in 13 months.

fred wrote:

"and those jobs will be filled by people who were either unemployed or who moved from another job" Those are the people who want a job. If I didn't have a job and wanted one, I would break my neck to be the first in line. There wouldn't be the same sign up 2 days in a row. A good friends son decided to be a retard and quit school after last year. But he wanted to work, so he started as a life guard at the pool. Then found he could make more money working at Pizza Hut. Then he found he could make even more working at the movie theatre. Then he heard about a job opening at the county water department. (Now he has Even more money and benefits.) All this in 13 months.

nice story. i like anecotal evidence. but it's not proof. until you can provide scientific proof that the 8500 unemployed people do not want a job or that there are 8500 jobs for them, all your bullshit is just that,,,,bullshit.

See he had 4 jobs without being unemployed and like I said he is part retard. So there were 4 openings then when he was done there were still 3 left for the other retards. All they need to do is want them.

Do you have some family on the dole or something?

fred wrote:

See he had 4 jobs without being unemployed and like I said he is part retard. So there were 4 openings then when he was done there were still 3 left for the other retards. All they need to do is want them. Do you have some family on the dole or something?

we are back where we allways end up with you, fred. you have stories, just no proof for what you say. when you can provide scientific proof for what you've been saying (that the 8500 unemployed people do not want a job or that there are 8500 jobs for them) get back with me. until then, all your personal stories are just more bigoted bullshit.

How do you know my buddies son isn't a darkie?