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 PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:43 pm 

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Good welfare article

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/05/11/68999/index.htm

 
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 PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:15 pm 

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Re: Good welfare article

fred wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1987/05/11/68999/index.htm


By MYRON MAGNET REPORTER ASSOCIATE Darienne L. Dennis
May 11, 1987


Yeah, what a mess. But what else can you expect after 7 years of GOP rule under the divine guidance of St. Reagan?

 
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It was talking about the mentality of the people who stay on it, retard.

 
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 PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:49 pm 

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interesting article. i liked this.
"What these kids needed -- what underclass kids need most -- was to be restored to full membership in the larger community."

 
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I have never understood where people thought giving these people, (or any people) Free Money was a good way to help them better themselves. Free Money only serves to facilitate Laziness and Bad Behavior.

Its like putting Obese People on a Pie and Ice Cream Diet.
And then being suprised that they didn't lose any weight.

 
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 PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:44 pm 

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BanditBacker wrote:
I have never understood where people thought giving these people, (or any people) Free Money was a good way to help them better themselves. Free Money only serves to facilitate Laziness and Bad Behavior.

Its like putting Obese People on a Pie and Ice Cream Diet.
And then being suprised that they didn't lose any weight.


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"What these kids needed -- what underclass kids need most -- was to be restored to full membership in the larger community."

 
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" black participation in the labor force declined most sharply in the economically expansive Sixties, especially in that part of the decade when jobs were most plentiful. And over 70% of the out-of-work inner city black youths whom Harvard economist Richard B. Freeman surveyed in 1980 said they could easily find a job."

 
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"Though an income from full-time work at the minimum wage is enough to support a single person above the poverty line, and two such incomes can keep a family of four out of poverty, the underclass works little"

 
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"In the Fifties, black and white men participated in the labor force, either as workers or active job seekers, at the same rate. By the late Seventies black participation was 7.7 percentage points lower than white participation, a difference that statisticians deem huge"

 
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"In 1960 three-quarters of young black men reported themselves as never having been married; that's true of 93% today. But they nevertheless go on making babies. While one black child in almost six was born illegitimate in 1950, every second one was illegitimate in 1980, and today in ghettos like New York's Central Harlem, around 80% of all black babies are illegitimate."

 
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"Charles Murray of the Manhattan Institute for Policy Research showed in a pioneering book, Losing Ground. MURRAY argues that welfare, because of the reworking of benefits and regulations in the Sixties, gives the poor ''incentives to fail.'' Since 1970, AFDC -- together with food stamps, Medicaid, and other benefits -- has provided most women with more purchasing power than a minimum-wage job. If an income is the consequence of having a baby, why should women worry about getting pregnant? Once in the welfare trap, why should they prefer an entry- level job to having another baby "

 
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you keep posting all that stuff, fred, but you just make the point ever stronger. you create the very problems that you condem. the reason for all those problems and all those social programs and all that stuff you don't like is because of the behavior of people like you. it says it right there in the article:
""What these kids needed -- what underclass kids need most -- was to be restored to full membership in the larger community."

 
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fred wrote:
"In 1960 three-quarters of young black men reported themselves as never having been married; that's true of 93% today. But they nevertheless go on making babies. While one black child in almost six was born illegitimate in 1950, every second one was illegitimate in 1980, and today in ghettos like New York's Central Harlem, around 80% of all black babies are illegitimate."


approx 50% of all children in iceland are born out of wedlock. they have one of the highest standards of living in the world. what they don't have is a significant % of their population being discriminated against and prevented from having "full membership in the larger community."

 
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"While one black child in almost six was born illegitimate in 1950, every second one was illegitimate in 1980, and today in ghettos like New York's Central Harlem, around 80% of all black babies are illegitimate."

There is far less racism today than there was in 1950.

 
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Sure, they need to be restored. But, there isn't any Governement Program that can do that for them. They have to step up and do that theirselves by getting a job or making theirself useful in some other way.

I know you will only say that is Racist. But, its true of any of the White Under Class as well.

 
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"A welfare mother's child ''provides her with the economic insurance that a husband used to represent,'"

 
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I have a friend whose Ex-Wife used to sit around with all the single Moms at her work and talk about all the Free Stuff she could get if she left her husband. To my knowledge, these were all White Women. I'm sure JC will say its different for Proud Beautiful Black Women, but as long as someone is paying Women to have Children out of Wedlock, how is anyone suprised that it happens.

 
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fred wrote:
"A welfare mother's child ''provides her with the economic insurance that a husband used to represent,'"


"What these kids needed -- what underclass kids need most -- was to be restored to full membership in the larger community."

 
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BanditBacker wrote:
I have a friend whose Ex-Wife used to sit around with all the single Moms at her work and talk about all the Free Stuff she could get if she left her husband. To my knowledge, these were all White Women. I'm sure JC will say its different for Proud Beautiful Black Women, but as long as someone is paying Women to have Children out of Wedlock, how is anyone suprised that it happens.


no, proud, beautiful black women just have the added burden of you and fred's racism to deal with.

 
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