stoney wrote:

he want's to play let him. others are afraid to face him, tough shit. parents want to cry unfair, grow up!! pretty easy to understand! NEXT?? LOL

recreational league.

lots of beginning players.

no ringers allowed.

highly skilled players play in the competitive league.

parents and coaches who lie to league officials will be suspended.

very simple.

NEXT!

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so his rec team could totally dominate (13-0)

WHERE DO YOU SEE HE PITCHED EVERYONE OF THESE GAMES FOR THEM TO BE 13-0??

just asking in case I missed it thru all the other bullshit and propaganda.

stoney wrote:

Quote: so his rec team could totally dominate (13-0) WHERE DO YOU SEE HE PITCHED EVERYONE OF THESE GAMES FOR THEM TO BE 13-0?? just asking in case I missed it thru all the other bullshit and propaganda.

i have no idea how many games he pitched.
i do, however, know that you boys shot off your big mounths about something you knew NOTHING about and you ended up looking like fools.

no egg on my face nor do I look foolish....has I stated twice in this thread the kid should be allowed to play in the league if he wants too

stoney wrote:

no egg on my face nor do I look foolish....has I stated twice in this thread the kid should be allowed to play in the league if he wants too

every reason you people gave why the kid should be allowed to play on that team has been shot to hell. now all you can say is he should get to do what he wants to. best of all is seeing this bunch of tough love, hardass rednecks trying to uphold the proposition that kids should get to do whatever they want. laughable

stoney wrote:

no egg on my face nor do I look foolish....has I stated twice in this thread the kid should be allowed to play in the league if he wants too

You are 100% correct mr stoney. The bottom line is 9 year olds should be allowed to play with other 9 year olds.

I find it interesting that this case is so unusual that it made national news. In other words , in other cities and towns 9 year olds are not discrimidated against becaus of their ability The fact is that there are so called ringers playing in almost every town in the country. I guess the owners (aka the local pizza shop owner who throws the league a couple hundred bucks so his establishment can advertise),league officials(aka parents of other players) of this particular town have more insight into youth sports than anyone else in the country.

I would doubt that anyone on here that's been involved in youth sports would be able to recall anything like this ever happening.

If the parent and coach agrred not to pitch this kid, and then changed their minds to challenge the rules, i say great. I certainly wouldn't let these "owners" and "league officials" tell me where my kid can play.

Bottom line for me on this issue doesn't have anything to do with how good this kid is or how bad the other kids are. I know firsthand the importance of 9 year olds playing in a league with other 9 yr olds, the kids they go to school with,live next door to or down the street. They build lifelong friendships which shouldn't be curtailed by some nutjobs running a youth baseball team

tnado wrote:

stoney wrote: no egg on my face nor do I look foolish....has I stated twice in this thread the kid should be allowed to play in the league if he wants too You are 100% correct mr stoney. The bottom line is 9 year olds should be allowed to play with other 9 year olds. I find it interesting that this case is so unusual that it made national news. In other words , in other cities and towns 9 year olds are not discrimidated against becaus of their ability The fact is that there are so called ringers playing in almost every town in the country. I guess the owners (aka the local pizza shop owner who throws the league a couple hundred bucks so his establishment can advertise),league officials(aka parents of other players) of this particular town have more insight into youth sports than anyone else in the country. I would doubt that anyone on here that's been involved in youth sports would be able to recall anything like this ever happening. If the parent and coach agrred not to pitch this kid, and then changed their minds to challenge the rules, i say great. I certainly wouldn't let these "owners" and "league officials" tell me where my kid can play. Bottom line for me on this issue doesn't have anything to do with how good this kid is or how bad the other kids are. I know firsthand the importance of 9 year olds playing in a league with other 9 yr olds, the kids they go to school with,live next door to or down the street. They build lifelong friendships which shouldn't be curtailed by some nutjobs running a youth baseball team

again, you are making a fool out of yourself. he already plays on a competive team in a upper divison league with other nine year olds. the rec team is just a team that he is playing on so that team can totally dominate the league. and, despite all your big talk to the contrary, i'll bet that if your kid plays in a league, both he/she and you are following all of that league's rules. elsewise, your kid will not be playing there for long. so, you can keep making a fool of yourself by running off about stuff you don't know about and then compound that by making big talk about how your kid doesn't have to follow the rules. but we know thats all it is..............just talk. or it is if your kid is going to play in a league.

jc wrote:

tnado wrote: stoney wrote: no egg on my face nor do I look foolish....has I stated twice in this thread the kid should be allowed to play in the league if he wants too You are 100% correct mr stoney. The bottom line is 9 year olds should be allowed to play with other 9 year olds. I find it interesting that this case is so unusual that it made national news. In other words , in other cities and towns 9 year olds are not discrimidated against becaus of their ability The fact is that there are so called ringers playing in almost every town in the country. I guess the owners (aka the local pizza shop owner who throws the league a couple hundred bucks so his establishment can advertise),league officials(aka parents of other players) of this particular town have more insight into youth sports than anyone else in the country. I would doubt that anyone on here that's been involved in youth sports would be able to recall anything like this ever happening. If the parent and coach agrred not to pitch this kid, and then changed their minds to challenge the rules, i say great. I certainly wouldn't let these "owners" and "league officials" tell me where my kid can play. Bottom line for me on this issue doesn't have anything to do with how good this kid is or how bad the other kids are. I know firsthand the importance of 9 year olds playing in a league with other 9 yr olds, the kids they go to school with,live next door to or down the street. They build lifelong friendships which shouldn't be curtailed by some nutjobs running a youth baseball team again, you are making a fool out of yourself. he already plays on a competive team in a upper divison league with other nine year olds. the rec team is just a team that he is playing on so that team can totally dominate the league. and, despite all your big talk to the contrary, i'll bet that if your kid plays in a league, both he/she and you are following all of that league's rules. elsewise, your kid will not be playing there for long. so, you can keep making a fool of yourself by running off about stuff you don't know about and then compound that by making big talk about how your kid doesn't have to follow the rules. but we know thats all it is..............just talk. or it is if your kid is going to play in a league.

I can only hope i make a fool out of myself more often. Coming from you i take that as a compliment You seem to have a lot of anger towards good atheletes. You should address that.

tnado wrote:

jc wrote: tnado wrote: stoney wrote: no egg on my face nor do I look foolish....has I stated twice in this thread the kid should be allowed to play in the league if he wants too You are 100% correct mr stoney. The bottom line is 9 year olds should be allowed to play with other 9 year olds. I find it interesting that this case is so unusual that it made national news. In other words , in other cities and towns 9 year olds are not discrimidated against becaus of their ability The fact is that there are so called ringers playing in almost every town in the country. I guess the owners (aka the local pizza shop owner who throws the league a couple hundred bucks so his establishment can advertise),league officials(aka parents of other players) of this particular town have more insight into youth sports than anyone else in the country. I would doubt that anyone on here that's been involved in youth sports would be able to recall anything like this ever happening. If the parent and coach agrred not to pitch this kid, and then changed their minds to challenge the rules, i say great. I certainly wouldn't let these "owners" and "league officials" tell me where my kid can play. Bottom line for me on this issue doesn't have anything to do with how good this kid is or how bad the other kids are. I know firsthand the importance of 9 year olds playing in a league with other 9 yr olds, the kids they go to school with,live next door to or down the street. They build lifelong friendships which shouldn't be curtailed by some nutjobs running a youth baseball team again, you are making a fool out of yourself. he already plays on a competive team in a upper divison league with other nine year olds. the rec team is just a team that he is playing on so that team can totally dominate the league. and, despite all your big talk to the contrary, i'll bet that if your kid plays in a league, both he/she and you are following all of that league's rules. elsewise, your kid will not be playing there for long. so, you can keep making a fool of yourself by running off about stuff you don't know about and then compound that by making big talk about how your kid doesn't have to follow the rules. but we know thats all it is..............just talk. or it is if your kid is going to play in a league. I can only hope i make a fool out of myself more often. Coming from you i take that as a compliment You seem to have a lot of anger towards good atheletes. You should address that.

i hate good athletes!!?? are you nuts. i'm the only only one here who wants him to play against serious competition that will help him improve his skills. you people are the ones who want him to play ringerball in a rec leagues with kids who provide no competition.

A few years ago my kid played for a select team in mass. called the valley jt warriors.(hockey) He was about 9 or 10 yrs old. You had to try out, so not everyone made the team. Once you made the team there was one requirement. You had to also play town hockey no matter how good you were. These fools actually believed in the importance of playing with your buddies from the same town. The owner and team officials have limited experience as most of them have only coached at the d1 college level or jr's. And to think jc called ME a fool. I can only imagine what he thinks of these idiots.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: ha, now all of you "if i own it i should be able to do whatever i want with it" boys have a real dilema. this league is not a part of "little league". it is not a public league. it is owned, paid for and maintained by the private businesses that sponsor it. it is also not a "competitive" league, but a recreational league full of 1st year players. the sponsors (who own and run the league) told the team to either stop pitching the kid or for the mom to move him to a higher competition league. the team said they would stop pitching him, but then went back on that agreement. the league (owned and run by private businesses) shut them down for that. (the fact that the kid had declined to play for a team coached by one of the primary owners/sponsors of the league may have been a factor, too. ) what a fucking mess. but thank god for private property rights where the owners of the league can do whatever they want. eh, fred, 5for, stoner, bb. Typical jc... Always missing the point. No one said the government should step in and babysit the league as you would have. We've just stated that the parents and league were pathetic for the way they were behaving. Believing that people should be able to conduct themselves in an appropriate and intelligent manner, without the government getting involved, doesn't mean that I shouldn't criticize those that can't. The hypocrisy is all yours... no, i didn't miss anything. but, you seem to have missed your h.s. civics lesson where they taught you about how the courts are part of "the government". or did you miss the part where the mom is suing the league. i love it when your bullshit comes back on you bottom line: the boy's mom and coach were trying to sandbag the league by playing the kid below his level of competition. the people who own the league told them to knock that shit off. the mom and the coach lied and said they would. when they didn't, the people who own the league took the correct action and suspended them. Wow, for someone who says he doesn't rush to judgement without all of the facts, you sure are saying a lot. As I said, the mom sounds like a bitch. Of course your idea that she's trying to "sandbag" the league by having her son play below his level of competition is bullshit. The kid plays in a league with his peers. There are varying skill levels amongst all of the players, I'm sure. He just happens to excel at pitching. Personally, I think the league is being petty and stupid. I think the same of the mother. I think even less of you. the kid plays in a league where he is so good that he dominates every game. so much so that many other kids are actually afraid to play against him. they sure don't sound like his "peers". yet his mom doesn't think he should play in a more competitive league. i call that sandbagging. like i said, for someone who doesn't want the gov't running people's lives, you are sure quick to get on board every time someone wants to sue over some bullshit beef like this (btw-calling the mom a "bitch" is a good trick to pretend like you don't support what she is doing. too bad it is sooo very obvious that you do ). Bullshit. I don't support her suing anyone. (Me referring to her behavior as petty and stupid should have clued you into that. I forgot that I have to dumb everything down for you to understand.) I played a lot of sports when I was a kid. I've gone up against some great athletes and some really shitty ones. I remember in football, one team had this fucking giant on their team that damn near broke me in half time after time after time. Rather than piss and moan that he was too big for our league, though, I learned to move faster than him and hit him low to take him off of his feet. In the end, it benefitted me.

Excellent post 5for, I feel the same.

I have received several PMs asking me to comment on this thread, so there it is.

tnado wrote:

A few years ago my kid played for a select team in mass. called the valley jt warriors.(hockey) He was about 9 or 10 yrs old. You had to try out, so not everyone made the team. Once you made the team there was one requirement. You had to also play town hockey no matter how good you were. These fools actually believed in the importance of playing with your buddies from the same town. The owner and team officials have limited experience as most of them have only coached at the d1 college level or jr's. And to think jc called ME a fool. I can only imagine what he thinks of these idiots.

you are not paying attention. this is not about him playing on a team with his little buddies.
1) he plays with his little buddies on the higher level competitive team,
2) he was offered the option of playing with whatever buddies he has on the rec team - just not as a pitcher,
3) he plays on the rec team as a ringer so they can dominate that league, not so he can play with his buddies (elsewise they wouldn't lie to the league instead of not pitching him).
i'll bet the town hockey league back in mass doesn't let private teams load up with ringers so they can totally dominate the league. every rec or house league i've seen divies up the kids fairly evenly among the teams.

jc wrote:

tnado wrote: A few years ago my kid played for a select team in mass. called the valley jt warriors.(hockey) He was about 9 or 10 yrs old. You had to try out, so not everyone made the team. Once you made the team there was one requirement. You had to also play town hockey no matter how good you were. These fools actually believed in the importance of playing with your buddies from the same town. The owner and team officials have limited experience as most of them have only coached at the d1 college level or jr's. And to think jc called ME a fool. I can only imagine what he thinks of these idiots. you are not paying attention. this is not about him playing on a team with his little buddies. 1) he plays with his little buddies on the higher level competitive team, 2) he was offered the option of playing with whatever buddies he has on the rec team - just not as a pitcher, 3) he plays on the rec team as a ringer so they can dominate that league, not so he can play with his buddies (elsewise they wouldn't lie to the league instead of not pitching him). i'll bet the town hockey league back in mass doesn't let private teams load up with ringers so they can totally dominate the league. every rec or house league i've seen divies up the kids fairly evenly among the teams.

Who said they stacked the team? This is one fucking kid who happens to pitch well. At that age, most leagues have rules on how many games a kid can pitch anyway, so this hardly seems unfair. Maybe the other teams got some kids who can hit or catch well.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: tnado wrote: A few years ago my kid played for a select team in mass. called the valley jt warriors.(hockey) He was about 9 or 10 yrs old. You had to try out, so not everyone made the team. Once you made the team there was one requirement. You had to also play town hockey no matter how good you were. These fools actually believed in the importance of playing with your buddies from the same town. The owner and team officials have limited experience as most of them have only coached at the d1 college level or jr's. And to think jc called ME a fool. I can only imagine what he thinks of these idiots. you are not paying attention. this is not about him playing on a team with his little buddies. 1) he plays with his little buddies on the higher level competitive team, 2) he was offered the option of playing with whatever buddies he has on the rec team - just not as a pitcher, 3) he plays on the rec team as a ringer so they can dominate that league, not so he can play with his buddies (elsewise they wouldn't lie to the league instead of not pitching him). i'll bet the town hockey league back in mass doesn't let private teams load up with ringers so they can totally dominate the league. every rec or house league i've seen divies up the kids fairly evenly among the teams. Who said they stacked the team? This is one fucking kid who happens to pitch well. At that age, most leagues have rules on how many games a kid can pitch anyway, so this hardly seems unfair. Maybe the other teams got some kids who can hit or catch well.

Most rec leagues also have rules about playing "down" while you are playing on an "up" team....

bp

all of you bullshitters arguements have been shot down in flames. i happen to KNOW the real reason the kid was not allowed to pitch in that league. it actually was a bum deal, just not for the reasons you people are saying. if you quit posting all this stupid ass nonesense i might tell you the real reason. otherwise, you can keep on making fools of yourselves.

ELIGIBILITY RULE??? LOL

stoney wrote:

ELIGIBILITY RULE??? LOL

worse. much worse.

HIS MOM WAS CAUGHT BUFFING THE BATS in the coaches truck?

stoney wrote:

HIS MOM WAS CAUGHT BUFFING THE BATS in the coaches truck?

i don't think the league caught them at that. mom and coach did sound pretty tight, though.

UPDATE

espn reported that the kid was actually a "mid-season" addition to the rec league team. he was already playing on a upper division team BEFORE he was recruited into the rec league.
also reported was that he pitched in 3 games for his rec league team in the week prior to his team being told he couldn't pitch-all were walkover wins by his team. he played 1 game at 2nd base after being told he couldn't pitch-a competitively played 13-11 win by his team.
correction-his team was 8-0 (not 13-0) when his coach was suspended for lying to the league.

ps-none of this is the real reason he was banned from pitching.