5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: who have annointed themself as the gods of all earthly behavior Hmm... yeah, i'm glad i'm not and trying to impose my christian religion on others thru the use of the federal gov't. No, but you seem to think you have all the answers and that everyone should believe as you do. Pretty much the same thing. Hypocrite. i state my opinions just like everyone else here. the difference is that don't try to get the gov't to impose my beliefs on everyone. and i sure wouldn't try to make the gov't institute my religious beliefs by passing laws that do that. that's the main difference, i actually believe in personal freedom, whereas you just talk about believing in it (you of the faux "conservative" movement ). This from the troll that can't provide one instance of my supporting government control. You need to start actually learning about people before you start throwing around bullshit accusations that you can't back up. And, as an atheist, I'm not sure what "religious" beliefs you think I would want the government to support.

i have called you down on your faux conservative strances a number of time. but i'm not going to go back and read all your posts to quote them here.
btw-i wasn't talking about you when i referred to religious beliefs. when i'm talking about you i usually have to refer to racist beliefs.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: ha, now all of you "if i own it i should be able to do whatever i want with it" boys have a real dilema. this league is not a part of "little league". it is not a public league. it is owned, paid for and maintained by the private businesses that sponsor it. it is also not a "competitive" league, but a recreational league full of 1st year players. the sponsors (who own and run the league) told the team to either stop pitching the kid or for the mom to move him to a higher competition league. the team said they would stop pitching him, but then went back on that agreement. the league (owned and run by private businesses) shut them down for that. (the fact that the kid had declined to play for a team coached by one of the primary owners/sponsors of the league may have been a factor, too. ) what a fucking mess. but thank god for private property rights where the owners of the league can do whatever they want. eh, fred, 5for, stoner, bb. Typical jc... Always missing the point. No one said the government should step in and babysit the league as you would have. We've just stated that the parents and league were pathetic for the way they were behaving. Believing that people should be able to conduct themselves in an appropriate and intelligent manner, without the government getting involved, doesn't mean that I shouldn't criticize those that can't. The hypocrisy is all yours... no, i didn't miss anything. but, you seem to have missed your h.s. civics lesson where they taught you about how the courts are part of "the government". or did you miss the part where the mom is suing the league. i love it when your bullshit comes back on you bottom line: the boy's mom and coach were trying to sandbag the league by playing the kid below his level of competition. the people who own the league told them to knock that shit off. the mom and the coach lied and said they would. when they didn't, the people who own the league took the correct action and suspended them. Wow, for someone who says he doesn't rush to judgement without all of the facts, you sure are saying a lot. As I said, the mom sounds like a bitch. Of course your idea that she's trying to "sandbag" the league by having her son play below his level of competition is bullshit. The kid plays in a league with his peers. There are varying skill levels amongst all of the players, I'm sure. He just happens to excel at pitching. Personally, I think the league is being petty and stupid. I think the same of the mother. I think even less of you. the kid plays in a league where he is so good that he dominates every game. so much so that many other kids are actually afraid to play against him. they sure don't sound like his "peers". yet his mom doesn't think he should play in a more competitive league. i call that sandbagging. like i said, for someone who doesn't want the gov't running people's lives, you are sure quick to get on board every time someone wants to sue over some bullshit beef like this (btw-calling the mom a "bitch" is a good trick to pretend like you don't support what she is doing. too bad it is sooo very obvious that you do ). Bullshit. I don't support her suing anyone. (Me referring to her behavior as petty and stupid should have clued you into that. I forgot that I have to dumb everything down for you to understand.) I played a lot of sports when I was a kid. I've gone up against some great athletes and some really shitty ones. I remember in football, one team had this fucking giant on their team that damn near broke me in half time after time after time. Rather than piss and moan that he was too big for our league, though, I learned to move faster than him and hit him low to take him off of his feet. In the end, it benefitted me.

you are a great man and a very brave athlete. unfortunately, your personal experiences are not how people across the country make decisions. they make decisions based on their experiences. and their experiences were that the kid was a ringer, that he had no buisiness pitching in that league and that he should play in a more competitive league instead of in a league with a bunch of beginners. they owners of the league gave his coach and mom an option to do that or to quite pitching in the beginner league. his coach and mom said he wouldn't pitch again, but they lied to the league about that. the league suspended them. all is as it should be.

jc wrote:

5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: ha, now all of you "if i own it i should be able to do whatever i want with it" boys have a real dilema. this league is not a part of "little league". it is not a public league. it is owned, paid for and maintained by the private businesses that sponsor it. it is also not a "competitive" league, but a recreational league full of 1st year players. the sponsors (who own and run the league) told the team to either stop pitching the kid or for the mom to move him to a higher competition league. the team said they would stop pitching him, but then went back on that agreement. the league (owned and run by private businesses) shut them down for that. (the fact that the kid had declined to play for a team coached by one of the primary owners/sponsors of the league may have been a factor, too. ) what a fucking mess. but thank god for private property rights where the owners of the league can do whatever they want. eh, fred, 5for, stoner, bb. Typical jc... Always missing the point. No one said the government should step in and babysit the league as you would have. We've just stated that the parents and league were pathetic for the way they were behaving. Believing that people should be able to conduct themselves in an appropriate and intelligent manner, without the government getting involved, doesn't mean that I shouldn't criticize those that can't. The hypocrisy is all yours... no, i didn't miss anything. but, you seem to have missed your h.s. civics lesson where they taught you about how the courts are part of "the government". or did you miss the part where the mom is suing the league. i love it when your bullshit comes back on you bottom line: the boy's mom and coach were trying to sandbag the league by playing the kid below his level of competition. the people who own the league told them to knock that shit off. the mom and the coach lied and said they would. when they didn't, the people who own the league took the correct action and suspended them. Wow, for someone who says he doesn't rush to judgement without all of the facts, you sure are saying a lot. As I said, the mom sounds like a bitch. Of course your idea that she's trying to "sandbag" the league by having her son play below his level of competition is bullshit. The kid plays in a league with his peers. There are varying skill levels amongst all of the players, I'm sure. He just happens to excel at pitching. Personally, I think the league is being petty and stupid. I think the same of the mother. I think even less of you. the kid plays in a league where he is so good that he dominates every game. so much so that many other kids are actually afraid to play against him. they sure don't sound like his "peers". yet his mom doesn't think he should play in a more competitive league. i call that sandbagging. like i said, for someone who doesn't want the gov't running people's lives, you are sure quick to get on board every time someone wants to sue over some bullshit beef like this (btw-calling the mom a "bitch" is a good trick to pretend like you don't support what she is doing. too bad it is sooo very obvious that you do ). Bullshit. I don't support her suing anyone. (Me referring to her behavior as petty and stupid should have clued you into that. I forgot that I have to dumb everything down for you to understand.) I played a lot of sports when I was a kid. I've gone up against some great athletes and some really shitty ones. I remember in football, one team had this fucking giant on their team that damn near broke me in half time after time after time. Rather than piss and moan that he was too big for our league, though, I learned to move faster than him and hit him low to take him off of his feet. In the end, it benefitted me. you are a great man and a very brave athlete. unfortunately, your personal experiences are not how people across the country make decisions. they make decisions based on their experiences. and their experiences were that the kid was a ringer, that he had no buisiness pitching in that league and that he should play in a more competitive league instead of in a league with a bunch of beginners. they owners of the league gave his coach and mom an option to do that or to quite pitching in the beginner league. his coach and mom said he wouldn't pitch again, but they lied to the league about that. the league suspended them. all is as it should be.

No 9 year old child should be forced to play up unless that's what HE choses to do. The so called experienced decision makers were wrong. Why should he be punished for being good?

tnado wrote:

jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: 5forfighting wrote: jc wrote: ha, now all of you "if i own it i should be able to do whatever i want with it" boys have a real dilema. this league is not a part of "little league". it is not a public league. it is owned, paid for and maintained by the private businesses that sponsor it. it is also not a "competitive" league, but a recreational league full of 1st year players. the sponsors (who own and run the league) told the team to either stop pitching the kid or for the mom to move him to a higher competition league. the team said they would stop pitching him, but then went back on that agreement. the league (owned and run by private businesses) shut them down for that. (the fact that the kid had declined to play for a team coached by one of the primary owners/sponsors of the league may have been a factor, too. ) what a fucking mess. but thank god for private property rights where the owners of the league can do whatever they want. eh, fred, 5for, stoner, bb. Typical jc... Always missing the point. No one said the government should step in and babysit the league as you would have. We've just stated that the parents and league were pathetic for the way they were behaving. Believing that people should be able to conduct themselves in an appropriate and intelligent manner, without the government getting involved, doesn't mean that I shouldn't criticize those that can't. The hypocrisy is all yours... no, i didn't miss anything. but, you seem to have missed your h.s. civics lesson where they taught you about how the courts are part of "the government". or did you miss the part where the mom is suing the league. i love it when your bullshit comes back on you bottom line: the boy's mom and coach were trying to sandbag the league by playing the kid below his level of competition. the people who own the league told them to knock that shit off. the mom and the coach lied and said they would. when they didn't, the people who own the league took the correct action and suspended them. Wow, for someone who says he doesn't rush to judgement without all of the facts, you sure are saying a lot. As I said, the mom sounds like a bitch. Of course your idea that she's trying to "sandbag" the league by having her son play below his level of competition is bullshit. The kid plays in a league with his peers. There are varying skill levels amongst all of the players, I'm sure. He just happens to excel at pitching. Personally, I think the league is being petty and stupid. I think the same of the mother. I think even less of you. the kid plays in a league where he is so good that he dominates every game. so much so that many other kids are actually afraid to play against him. they sure don't sound like his "peers". yet his mom doesn't think he should play in a more competitive league. i call that sandbagging. like i said, for someone who doesn't want the gov't running people's lives, you are sure quick to get on board every time someone wants to sue over some bullshit beef like this (btw-calling the mom a "bitch" is a good trick to pretend like you don't support what she is doing. too bad it is sooo very obvious that you do ). Bullshit. I don't support her suing anyone. (Me referring to her behavior as petty and stupid should have clued you into that. I forgot that I have to dumb everything down for you to understand.) I played a lot of sports when I was a kid. I've gone up against some great athletes and some really shitty ones. I remember in football, one team had this fucking giant on their team that damn near broke me in half time after time after time. Rather than piss and moan that he was too big for our league, though, I learned to move faster than him and hit him low to take him off of his feet. In the end, it benefitted me. you are a great man and a very brave athlete. unfortunately, your personal experiences are not how people across the country make decisions. they make decisions based on their experiences. and their experiences were that the kid was a ringer, that he had no buisiness pitching in that league and that he should play in a more competitive league instead of in a league with a bunch of beginners. they owners of the league gave his coach and mom an option to do that or to quite pitching in the beginner league. his coach and mom said he wouldn't pitch again, but they lied to the league about that. the league suspended them. all is as it should be. No 9 year old child should be forced to play up unless that's what HE choses to do. The so called experienced decision makers were wrong. Why should he be punished for being good?

no beginning player in any sport should be forced to play against players who are so far superior to them that they fear for their safety. you are saying the supposed "right" of one ringer to play below his skill level in order to dominate the game is more important than the "rights" of all the hundreds of other kids in the league. and you are saying that one parent and one coach should get to decide the rules for the entire league rather than the people who own and manage the league. lastly, you are supporting a mom and a coach who were given a choice and who lied to the league about following the league's rules. the league did the right thing.

All 9 year olds are beginners. Safety has never been an issue in this. As a matter of fact everything i've read indicates that this kid has never hit anyone(even if he did what the hell is a 40mph fastball gonna do). His rights are just as important as the other kids in the league rights and if he wants to play with kids his own age he has every RIGHT. I'm only supporting a 9 year old who probably just wants to play baseball and have a little fun, god forbid. Lastly the league absolutely did not do the right thing. They are 100% wrong.

tnado wrote:

All 9 year olds are beginners. Safety has never been an issue in this. As a matter of fact everything i've read indicates that this kid has never hit anyone(even if he did what the hell is a 40mph fastball gonna do). His rights are just as important as the other kids in the league rights and if he wants to play with kids his own age he has every RIGHT. I'm only supporting a 9 year old who probably just wants to play baseball and have a little fun, god forbid. Lastly the league absolutely did not do the right thing. They are 100% wrong.

safety is not an issue!!?? safety is always an issue in youth athletics. in fact, it is THE issue in youth sports. i guess you are one of those people who prefers to wait until something bad happens and then complain to high heaven that they were warned but just ignored the warnings from the parents, coaches and kids. talk about lawyers crawling out of the woodwork. plus, where do you get the idea that all 9 years olds are beginners. beamers kid has been playing for years and is already at the aaa level. this league even said that some of the kids had been playing for years, but many were were 1st time players. none of them had anywhere near the skill level of the ringer, though. at the end of the day, the league di what had to be done. when they received complaints about this kid from other parents, kids, coaches and sponsors they investigated. they determined that the kid was too skilled to pitch in their league. the league gave the mom and the coach alternatives to resolve the problem. the mom and coach then lied to the league about correcting the problem. in short, the league did all it could do to resolve this, but had to suspend them when thy lied and would not follow the decision of the owners of the league.

interesting development. i heard an interview today with the coach of the kid's team. the intervierw cleared up one thing - the reason the kid couldn't go play on a higher level team is because he is already playing on one. that coach has teams playing at both levels. why he needed to pitch in the rec league when he pitches in the higher level league wasn't exactly explained.

I can explain it for you. He wants to play with his friends. He's 9.

tnado wrote:

I can explain it for you. He wants to play with his friends. He's 9.

the "he's 9 and wants to play with his friends" doesn't wash. i'm sure he does want to do that. and that is no doubt why he's playing (and pitching) in the competitive league with his friends. and why he could have stayed in the rec league if he would have done what his mom and coach agreed to - not pitch in that league. no, the reason they kept pitching him in the rec league was so his rec team could totally dominate (13-0) every other team and all the beginner players in that league. not cool. very not cool.
incidentally, the coach's interview was followed by an interview with a sports writer from the area who has been following this. he wondered why the coach couldn't explain the absolute necessity of having the kid pitch for a team that was 13-0 when he was already pitching for another team. or why, out of all the kids in the league, the other parents and the league officials thought this kid shouldn't be pitching in that league.

i'm thinking after all this that jc sees his childhood in the kids that can't hit the pitches from this Ace player. Did you strike out time and time again when you played against kids your own age??

stoney wrote:

i'm thinking after all this that jc sees his childhood in the kids that can't hit the pitches from this Ace player. Did you strike out time and time again when you played against kids your own age??

I'm guessing jc didn't play many sports as a kid. I think he probably spent most of his time hiding in his room, playing with himself while crying and snigging his mother's panties. Thank God the internet came along, or he'd never have human contact... Even if he only uses it to lie and annoy people.

stoney wrote:

i'm thinking after all this that jc sees his childhood in the kids that can't hit the pitches from this Ace player. Did you strike out time and time again when you played against kids your own age??

if this is in any way about me, it is about how my personal beliefs differ from yours.
i think it is wrong for a team to use upper level players (ringers) to dominate a rec league. i think the league was correct to act on the complaints from other parents, coaches and kids. i think the league was correct to give the kid's coach and parents an option rather than simply kicking him out of the league. i think it is appalling that the kid's mom and coach lied to the league. i think the league did what it had to do in the face of those lies.
you obviously think it is o.k. for a coach to use ringers against beginning players so that his team can totally dominate an entire league. you believe that the league should have just ignored the concerns from other parents, coaches and players. you apprently believe that it is o.k for parents and coaches to lie to their kid's sport's leagues and that the leagues should just ignore those lies.
like i said, this is about me only in the ways in which you and i differ in our value systems.

5forfighting wrote:

stoney wrote: i'm thinking after all this that jc sees his childhood in the kids that can't hit the pitches from this Ace player. Did you strike out time and time again when you played against kids your own age?? I'm guessing jc didn't play many sports as a kid. I think he probably spent most of his time hiding in his room, playing with himself while crying and snigging his mother's panties. Thank God the internet came along, or he'd never have human contact... Even if he only uses it to lie and annoy people.

i did play sports, but as i said to the stoner, this isn't about my sports experience.
it is about how people differ in their values. you and stoner think it is o.k. for a team to use upper level players (ringers) to dominate a recreational sports league. i think that is wrong.
like i said, it's nothing more than a simple difference in basic values.

kid wasn't a ringer but the same age has the rest of the kids.....a ringer would have been like the chinese saying he was one age when in fact he wasn't. he should be allowed to play with the kids his own age. I've never seen yet where you sign your kid up to play summer ball and they put the kid thru tryouts and make them take a test to determine what age group that kid falls in.

Coaches, parents, and the other snot nosed kids need to suck it up!!

Yes our opinions on this differ!!

stoney wrote:

kid wasn't a ringer but the same age has the rest of the kids.....a ringer would have been like the chinese saying he was one age when in fact he wasn't. he should be allowed to play with the kids his own age. I've never seen yet where you sign your kid up to play summer ball and they put the kid thru tryouts and make them take a test to determine what age group that kid falls in. Coaches, parents, and the other snot nosed kids need to suck it up!! Yes our opinions on this differ!!

ha, you people got caught in your bullshit again. that's what happens when you shoot off your mouths before you know what's going on.
first you say that he wasn't any better than the other kids. then we find out that, yes, he is lots better than the other kids. it is a recreational league with lots of beginners and he is much more skilled.
then you said that doesn't matter, he is only 9 and shouldn't be forced to play in a higher level league if he didn't want to. then we find out he was already playing in a higher league and playing down in th rec league so his team could dominate.
then you say that its terrible that the league banned the team. then we find out that the league did that because the kids mom and his coach lied to the league and refused to follow the league's rules.
now the only thing you can say is that the other people should just "suck it up" and let the other team cheat. that is laughable.

You never have said where you would draw the line. Do you put all the good hitters in one league, and all the good fielders in another? What if a kid is good at both? Do you only let him hit in one league and play the field in another? What skill level should they go by? If not age, then is there some type of rating system they should use? Maybe they should just force the kids to play whatever position they suck at and not let them play where they excel, would that be better? And any kid who's good at all positions should be forced to play drunk.

5forfighting wrote:

You never have said where you would draw the line. Do you put all the good hitters in one league, and all the good fielders in another? What if a kid is good at both? Do you only let him hit in one league and play the field in another? What skill level should they go by? If not age, then is there some type of rating system they should use? Maybe they should just force the kids to play whatever position they suck at and not let them play where they excel, would that be better? And any kid who's good at all positions should be forced to play drunk.

i draw the line at the point where the league owners received the complaints, checked into the concerns of the other coaches, parents and kids, offered a solution to the ringer's mom and coach and were then lied to by the ringer's mom and coach.
like i said, you boys shot of your big mouths about something you didn't understand and now you look foolish for doing it. next time, find out what is going on BEFORE you start up with all your bullshit.

jc, you didn't catch me in any lies but keep trying. I've stated from the begining the kid should be allowed to play in the league with his peers no matter how good or bad he is. The other kids can't hit his pitches...TOUGH SHIT!! You like the other parents want to cry cause he is so much better??? Who gives a fuck!! Part of life....deal with it or in this case for the whiney snot nosed kids and their parents--PRACTICE!!

ps

so he plays on a traveling team--big deal sure those are set up for the better players. This doesn't mean can't play on a regular team of your age group. I know lot's that have including myself. WHOOP DI DOO!!

stoney wrote:

jc, you didn't catch me in any lies but keep trying. I've stated from the begining the kid should be allowed to play in the league with his peers no matter how good or bad he is. The other kids can't hit his pitches...TOUGH SHIT!! You like the other parents want to cry cause he is so much better??? Who gives a fuck!! Part of life....deal with it or in this case for the whiney snot nosed kids and their parents--PRACTICE!! ps so he plays on a traveling team--big deal sure those are set up for the better players. This doesn't mean can't play on a regular team of your age group. I know lot's that have including myself. WHOOP DI DOO!!

everything you people have said about this situation has turned out to be untrue. as i said, you people should find out what is going on BEFORE you run your mouths about things you don't understand.

he want's to play let him.

others are afraid to face him, tough shit.

parents want to cry unfair, grow up!!

pretty easy to understand!

NEXT??

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