Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote:

Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: And BTW...USNTDP???? Looks like you're the ONLY one on GR who supports them Considering they represent our NATIONAL TEAM in international competition, what's your excuse for NOT supporting them? well, it could be that they played like s*** most of time. Wildcats could beat them 10 times over! anybody could claim they are NATIONAL TEAM but it dont necessarily means they get all the support if they dont play like one on consistent basis. and if they are NATIONAL TEAM, why do they rank near the bottom in attendance??? That shouldnt be too hard to figure out, huh?

Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. You, sir... have to be one of the biggest dipshits on this board.

Do you know why these teams have relatively poor records? It's because they have no vets on them. Depending on which roster you face (there are actually two teams), you were facing 90s or 91s. The entire Wildcats roster last season featured only 45 games played by 90s, 32 by Curtis Heinz and 13 by Tyler Tosunian. Everyone else was older.

The purpose of the NTDP is to put the top younger players in the country up against older, more experienced players. Have you ever seen an NAHL player selected in the first round who was NOT in the NTDP? The NTDP has had eight players directly taken in the first round since 2003:

(Selection #, Player, Team)

2003
7 Ryan Suter, Nashville

2005
3 Jack Johnson, Carolina
7 Jack Skille, Chicago

2006
1 Erik Johnson, St. Louis
29 Chris Summers, Phoenix

2007
2 James Van Riemsdyk, Philadelphia
14 Kevin Shattenkirk, Colorado
18 Ian Cole, St. Louis

This doesn't count NTDPers who later went on to Major Junior or NCAA teams and were drafted from those squads.

As for their attendance... the NTDP has a budget at least three times greater than any other NAHL team, and probably closer to four times (your USA Hockey player registration fees at work). They don't market the team. That's not their purpose. Their purpose is to prepare America's top 16-17 year old players for the NHL draft and NCAA. I'm surprised they even take attendance, and would be more surprised if the numbers were being accurately reported.

Not to mention that the team that plays a mainly NAHL schedule is the U-17 team, while the U-18 team plays a more international schedule with NCAA teams tossed in to boot.

To gauge how good a team is by the attendance #'s would be a mistake-- a big one.

WCR Please , your killing me man . I 'm a real Wildcats Fan , BUT I also support EACH and EVERY kid in this league . theres not a young man out there that I wouldn't do everything in my power to help out. You can't blame the kids on a team for low Attendence by the people in their city ( The people are the Idiots they don't know what their Missing ) So man please think before you make a statment like that .

Marc Foster wrote:

Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: And BTW...USNTDP???? Looks like you're the ONLY one on GR who supports them Considering they represent our NATIONAL TEAM in international competition, what's your excuse for NOT supporting them? well, it could be that they played like s*** most of time. Wildcats could beat them 10 times over! anybody could claim they are NATIONAL TEAM but it dont necessarily means they get all the support if they dont play like one on consistent basis. and if they are NATIONAL TEAM, why do they rank near the bottom in attendance??? That shouldnt be too hard to figure out, huh? Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. You, sir... have to be one of the biggest dipshits on this board.

I stopped reading right there...

no point in reading it any further...

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Marc Foster wrote:

Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: And BTW...USNTDP???? Looks like you're the ONLY one on GR who supports them Considering they represent our NATIONAL TEAM in international competition, what's your excuse for NOT supporting them? well, it could be that they played like s*** most of time. Wildcats could beat them 10 times over! anybody could claim they are NATIONAL TEAM but it dont necessarily means they get all the support if they dont play like one on consistent basis. and if they are NATIONAL TEAM, why do they rank near the bottom in attendance??? That shouldnt be too hard to figure out, huh? Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. You, sir... have to be one of the biggest dipshits on this board. Do you know why these teams have relatively poor records? It's because they have no vets on them. Depending on which roster you face (there are actually two teams), you were facing 90s or 91s. The entire Wildcats roster last season featured only 45 games played by 90s, 32 by Curtis Heinz and 13 by Tyler Tosunian. Everyone else was older. The purpose of the NTDP is to put the top younger players in the country up against older, more experienced players. Have you ever seen an NAHL player selected in the first round who was NOT in the NTDP? The NTDP has had eight players directly taken in the first round since 2003: (Selection #, Player, Team) 2003 7 Ryan Suter, Nashville 2005 3 Jack Johnson, Carolina 7 Jack Skille, Chicago 2006 1 Erik Johnson, St. Louis 29 Chris Summers, Phoenix 2007 2 James Van Riemsdyk, Philadelphia 14 Kevin Shattenkirk, Colorado 18 Ian Cole, St. Louis This doesn't count NTDPers who later went on to Major Junior or NCAA teams and were drafted from those squads. As for their attendance... the NTDP has a budget at least three times greater than any other NAHL team, and probably closer to four times (your USA Hockey player registration fees at work). They don't market the team. That's not their purpose. Their purpose is to prepare America's top 16-17 year old players for the NHL draft and NCAA. I'm surprised they even take attendance, and would be more surprised if the numbers were being accurately reported.

Marc...just goes to prove that cowshiteater "wants to talk hockey" but has no clue what he is talking about.

Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote:

Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: And BTW...USNTDP???? Looks like you're the ONLY one on GR who supports them Considering they represent our NATIONAL TEAM in international competition, what's your excuse for NOT supporting them? well, it could be that they played like s*** most of time. Wildcats could beat them 10 times over! anybody could claim they are NATIONAL TEAM but it dont necessarily means they get all the support if they dont play like one on consistent basis. and if they are NATIONAL TEAM, why do they rank near the bottom in attendance??? That shouldnt be too hard to figure out, huh? Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. You, sir... have to be one of the biggest dipshits on this board. I stopped reading right there... no point in responding to you anymore.

Because he just schooled you? Why not respond. Like ususal, you don't have a clue and choose to bail instead of manning up and admitting you are a moron.

Jtornado wrote:

Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: And BTW...USNTDP???? Looks like you're the ONLY one on GR who supports them Considering they represent our NATIONAL TEAM in international competition, what's your excuse for NOT supporting them? well, it could be that they played like s*** most of time. Wildcats could beat them 10 times over! anybody could claim they are NATIONAL TEAM but it dont necessarily means they get all the support if they dont play like one on consistent basis. and if they are NATIONAL TEAM, why do they rank near the bottom in attendance??? That shouldnt be too hard to figure out, huh? Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. You, sir... have to be one of the biggest dipshits on this board. Do you know why these teams have relatively poor records? It's because they have no vets on them. Depending on which roster you face (there are actually two teams), you were facing 90s or 91s. The entire Wildcats roster last season featured only 45 games played by 90s, 32 by Curtis Heinz and 13 by Tyler Tosunian. Everyone else was older. The purpose of the NTDP is to put the top younger players in the country up against older, more experienced players. Have you ever seen an NAHL player selected in the first round who was NOT in the NTDP? The NTDP has had eight players directly taken in the first round since 2003: (Selection #, Player, Team) 2003 7 Ryan Suter, Nashville 2005 3 Jack Johnson, Carolina 7 Jack Skille, Chicago 2006 1 Erik Johnson, St. Louis 29 Chris Summers, Phoenix 2007 2 James Van Riemsdyk, Philadelphia 14 Kevin Shattenkirk, Colorado 18 Ian Cole, St. Louis This doesn't count NTDPers who later went on to Major Junior or NCAA teams and were drafted from those squads. As for their attendance... the NTDP has a budget at least three times greater than any other NAHL team, and probably closer to four times (your USA Hockey player registration fees at work). They don't market the team. That's not their purpose. Their purpose is to prepare America's top 16-17 year old players for the NHL draft and NCAA. I'm surprised they even take attendance, and would be more surprised if the numbers were being accurately reported. Marc...just goes to prove that cowshiteater "wants to talk hockey" but has no clue what he is talking about.

Jtornado wrote:

Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: Marc Foster wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: And BTW...USNTDP???? Looks like you're the ONLY one on GR who supports them Considering they represent our NATIONAL TEAM in international competition, what's your excuse for NOT supporting them? well, it could be that they played like s*** most of time. Wildcats could beat them 10 times over! anybody could claim they are NATIONAL TEAM but it dont necessarily means they get all the support if they dont play like one on consistent basis. and if they are NATIONAL TEAM, why do they rank near the bottom in attendance??? That shouldnt be too hard to figure out, huh? Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. You, sir... have to be one of the biggest dipshits on this board. I stopped reading right there... no point in responding to you anymore. Because he just schooled you? Why not respond. Like ususal, you don't have a clue and choose to bail instead of manning up and admitting you are a moron.

he schooled me??? with his name-calling??? ok, JT, go with that...AGAIN!!!

Old Hippy wrote:

To gauge how good a team is by the attendance #'s would be a mistake-- a big one.

why??? if a hockey team...especially a NATIONAL one...is doing very well, shouldnt game attendance increase??? Sure.

otherwise, if they play like crap on a consistent basis, then no one will show up to watch.

makes perfect sense to me. whats so hard about that?

Every one "s made their point we don't need 3 pages of bashing lets get back to topic thats funny what Hockey fan put , The more I read the better I feel about TT coming back .. JT your input Please

Lloyd4 wrote:

Every one "s made their point we don't need 3 pages of bashing lets get back to topic thats funny what Hockey fan put , The more I read the better I feel about TT coming back .. JT your input Please

No problem...a complete lack of a synapse is evident though. No need to continue. Funny, that someone who wants to "talk hockey" has no clue.

Jtornado wrote:

Lloyd4 wrote: Every one "s made their point we don't need 3 pages of bashing lets get back to topic thats funny what Hockey fan put , The more I read the better I feel about TT coming back .. JT your input Please No problem...a complete lack of a synapse is evident though. No need to continue. Funny, that someone who wants to "talk hockey" has no clue.

like you had a clue about the change in PG jersey???

madcatter wrote:

Cats would not have a chance. Totally different level of play. Look at Pg's roster and you can tell it is real canadian hockey.

they're still about the same age group. I'd still like to see how the Cats would fare against them.

Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote:

Jtornado wrote: Lloyd4 wrote: Every one "s made their point we don't need 3 pages of bashing lets get back to topic thats funny what Hockey fan put , The more I read the better I feel about TT coming back .. JT your input Please No problem...a complete lack of a synapse is evident though. No need to continue. Funny, that someone who wants to "talk hockey" has no clue. like you had a clue about the change in PG jersey???

DUDE!!!! That was a freakin' joke! Are you seriously that lacking in mental abililty to not realize when someone is joking?


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Jtornado wrote:

Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: Jtornado wrote: Lloyd4 wrote: Every one "s made their point we don't need 3 pages of bashing lets get back to topic thats funny what Hockey fan put , The more I read the better I feel about TT coming back .. JT your input Please No problem...a complete lack of a synapse is evident though. No need to continue. Funny, that someone who wants to "talk hockey" has no clue. like you had a clue about the change in PG jersey??? DUDE!!!! That was a freakin' joke! Are you seriously that lacking in mental abililty to not realize when someone is joking?

with YOU, its hard to even guage on whether you're joking or not...

Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote:

Jtornado wrote: Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote: Jtornado wrote: Lloyd4 wrote: Every one "s made their point we don't need 3 pages of bashing lets get back to topic thats funny what Hockey fan put , The more I read the better I feel about TT coming back .. JT your input Please No problem...a complete lack of a synapse is evident though. No need to continue. Funny, that someone who wants to "talk hockey" has no clue. like you had a clue about the change in PG jersey??? DUDE!!!! That was a freakin' joke! Are you seriously that lacking in mental abililty to not realize when someone is joking? with YOU, its hard to even guage on whether you're joking or not...

Thank you...

As far as the level of play, Parker Stansfield last year at tryout camp dominated everyone all weekend-- scoring, defensive play, and I believe he even had a fight. He was a 3rd liner for PG last year-- on a team which finished well down the row in the WHL standings.

Jtornado wrote:

WFHockeyFan wrote: The new Tornado logo, which they lifted from Texarkana. I will support a team that may not be in existence that HAS ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING, vs one that...oh well...nevermind...RACK 'EM, BITCH. DO SOMETHING before you talk shit... oh yeah, you wear player pins...hahahahha

You broke, I ran the table, loser racks 'em...lol

oh yeah, two of 'em for a couple of games. You can do better than that.

Wildcat Cowbell Ringer wrote:

Old Hippy wrote: To gauge how good a team is by the attendance #'s would be a mistake-- a big one. why??? if a hockey team...especially a NATIONAL one...is doing very well, shouldnt game attendance increase??? Sure. otherwise, if they play like crap on a consistent basis, then no one will show up to watch. makes perfect sense to me. whats so hard about that?

Um, the rink the USNTDP plays in seats maybe 800 tops (and that's with standing room). In the early years of the program they had greater numbers, but they also played Major Junior teams back then too. On any given home stand maybe 10% of the attendence is scouts - NCAA, NHL, and Major Junior (if reported attendence is 200, well, you can do the math...). Since they do not need gate receipts to fund the team, that particular attendance figure is more important than total numbers (and much more impressive than any other NAHL team, IMHO. And it damn well better be given the mission of the program). The other factor is the 'competing events' factor. The NTDP is in Ann Arbor, MI. There are too many competing professional, college, and non-professional sporting events (and other events) to mention that compete with the NTDP. The program is doing it's job as well. While we can (and do) argue about the value of the $2MM investment annually in the program, US National Teams have consistently performed better in international play than they did before the program started a decade or so ago. Check the rosters - many or most of the players (depending on the age of the team) are current or former US NTDP players.

WFHockeyFan wrote:

Jtornado wrote: WFHockeyFan wrote: The new Tornado logo, which they lifted from Texarkana. I will support a team that may not be in existence that HAS ACTUALLY DONE SOMETHING, vs one that...oh well...nevermind...RACK 'EM, BITCH. DO SOMETHING before you talk shit... oh yeah, you wear player pins...hahahahha You broke, I ran the table, loser racks 'em...lol oh yeah, two of 'em for a couple of games. You can do better than that.

ummm...sssuuuureee....ooookkkk