If anybody is stereotyping that would be you jc.Let me explain it at a level you might want to understand.Not all of the poor is sponging off the welfare system I will go on and say there are a lot of poor people that the goverment had turned their backs on which is a down right shame.My wife's 92 yr. old grand father who died this past Feb. only drew $10 dollars a month food assistance for the last couple of years. Now go back up a few post and read what I said about fred,fan and aig

jc wrote:

"McCain's tax cuts would primarily benefit those with very high incomes, almost all of whom would receive large tax cuts that would, on average, raise their after-tax incomes by more than twice the average for all households."

You think people with high incomes are benefiting? Owning a business, do you have any clue what I have to keep up with and pay out in a single yr? I don't just build a house, cash a check, and the go buy a new car. I payed out over $40,000 in additional taxes last yr. that's ADDITIONAL tax ON TOP of my income tax. I pay taxes on employees, on equipment, buildings, property, licenses. Not only THAT I have to go buy a privilege license JUST FOR THE PRIVILEGE of building a house in that town, THEN pay taxes on that. I get taxed ON my tax. Then have to keep up with ALL of the receipts and paper work that goes along with it so I CAN give the govt. THEIR cut. So if you think people with large incomes are catching a break, you are sadly misinformed.

Besides, most people that bitch about people that make money are usually those that have none. If you're bitter, step away from the fry station and go get a better job.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, in 2005, the top 20 percent of households paid 86.3 percent of income taxes while the bottom 80 percent paid a collective 13.7 percent of the income tax burden. The top 1 percent of households paid 38.8 percent of income taxes.


Nobody is paying too little. Though I'm not sure if I like this earned income credit thing.

Kermie wrote:

If anybody is stereotyping that would be you jc.Let me explain it at a level you might want to understand.Not all of the poor is sponging off the welfare system I will go on and say there are a lot of poor people that the goverment had turned their backs on which is a down right shame.My wife's 92 yr. old grand father who died this past Feb. only drew $10 dollars a month food assistance for the last couple of years. Now go back up a few post and read what I said about fred,fan and aig

i'm sorry about your grandfather. i can empathize. my g-f died at 98 and i don't think he was well served by his gov't in the last few years of his life.
you are totally missing the point about your posts. when you post you always post about poor people who are lazy, won't work, get welfare and cheat the system. ALWAYS!. the only time you EVER post anything different is when someone points out to you that those people are the exception and that you are stereotyping poor people with that stuff. then you start backtracking and saying about how you don't mean all poor people.

Kermie's post:

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I don't mind seeing my tax dollars going to someone who is really in need but I have issues with people who can work ,health and able but are tro lazy or want everything handed to them which takes away from the one who are unable or in poor health.

jc's reply:

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as far as the rest of your rant, that stuff about all the lazy poor people sitting around, never working and drawing welfare is a lie.

It's all right there. Even after Kermie specifies that he has no problem helping those in need, jc assumes that all people on welfare are abusing the system. You can't run from it jc. Your prejudice and stereotyping is right there for all to see.

TC izbak wrote:

jc wrote: "McCain's tax cuts would primarily benefit those with very high incomes, almost all of whom would receive large tax cuts that would, on average, raise their after-tax incomes by more than twice the average for all households." You think people with high incomes are benefiting? Owning a business, do you have any clue what I have to keep up with and pay out in a single yr? I don't just build a house, cash a check, and the go buy a new car. I payed out over $40,000 in additional taxes last yr. that's ADDITIONAL tax ON TOP of my income tax. I pay taxes on employees, on equipment, buildings, property, licenses. Not only THAT I have to go buy a privilege license JUST FOR THE PRIVILEGE of building a house in that town, THEN pay taxes on that. I get taxed ON my tax. Then have to keep up with ALL of the receipts and paper work that goes along with it so I CAN give the govt. THEIR cut. So if you think people with large incomes are catching a break, you are sadly misinformed. Besides, most people that bitch about people that make money are usually those that have none. If you're bitter, step away from the fry station and go get a better job.

the analysis of the candidate's tax plans are right there for all to see. mccain's favors the rich and obama's favors the middle class and poor people. it's just that simple.

fred wrote:

According to the Congressional Budget Office, in 2005, the top 20 percent of households paid 86.3 percent of income taxes while the bottom 80 percent paid a collective 13.7 percent of the income tax burden. The top 1 percent of households paid 38.8 percent of income taxes. Nobody is paying too little. Though I'm not sure if I like this earned income credit thing.

the analysis of the tax plans is there for all to see. mccain's favor rich people, obama's favors middle class and poor people. vote accordingly.

5forfighting wrote:

Kermie's post: Quote: I don't mind seeing my tax dollars going to someone who is really in need but I have issues with people who can work ,health and able but are tro lazy or want everything handed to them which takes away from the one who are unable or in poor health. jc's reply: Quote: as far as the rest of your rant, that stuff about all the lazy poor people sitting around, never working and drawing welfare is a lie. It's all right there. Even after Kermie specifies that he has no problem helping those in need, jc assumes that all people on welfare are abusing the system. You can't run from it jc. Your prejudice and stereotyping is right there for all to see.

kermie trashes poor people and stereoptypes them as lazy, non-working welfare recipients. EVERY time he posts anything that is what he says. only after he is called down on that stereoptype does he backtrack. he is a lot like you in the way he does that little trick. it won't work with me.

Neither plan benefits anybody. One lets everybody keep a little bit more of their own money and another lets poor people keep a little bit more of their own money and makes "rich" people give the government way more of their money. I assume you are smart enough to know the federal Government isn't giving "rich" people anything.


Now if I get to keep 5% more of my money and a guy who makes 50,000 a year gets to keep 10% more of his money. I will get to keep more dollars than he does. Does that mean I benefit more?

jc wrote:

kermie trashes poor people and stereoptypes them as lazy, non-working welfare recipients. EVERY time he posts anything that is what he says. only after he is called down on that stereoptype does he backtrack. he is a lot like you in the way he does that little trick. it won't work with me.

You can lie about it all you want, but I've just proven you wrong. What a joke!

fred wrote:

Neither plan benefits anybody. One lets everybody keep a little bit more of their own money and another lets poor people keep a little bit more of their own money and makes "rich" people give the government way more of their money. I assume you are smart enough to know the federal Government isn't giving "rich" people anything. Now if I get to keep 5% more of my money and a guy who makes 50,000 a year gets to keep 10% more of his money. I will get to keep more dollars than he does. Does that mean I benefit more?

depends on how much you make, fred. if you are in the "higher income" bracket, you will benefit more from maccain's plan. if not, obama's is your plan. pretty simple.

5forfighting wrote:

jc wrote: kermie trashes poor people and stereoptypes them as lazy, non-working welfare recipients. EVERY time he posts anything that is what he says. only after he is called down on that stereoptype does he backtrack. he is a lot like you in the way he does that little trick. it won't work with me. You can lie about it all you want, but I've just proven you wrong. What a joke!

i'm sure if you read the posts you will observe that kermie NEVER did anything but bash poor people until it was pointed out that he was stereoptying them. then he backtracked. much like you always do when caught in your racist and bigoted lies.

"depends on how much you make, fred. if you are in the "higher income" bracket, you will benefit more from maccain's plan. if not, obama's is your plan. pretty simple. "


I won't benefit. McCains plan is to leave the highest income bracket at 35%. He isn't going to lower it. He also plans on leaving the 15% on capital gains alone. Not lower it.

Obama plans on raising both along with the Social Security tax.

Kermie wrote:

My point jc is that both my wife and I don't make alot of money,we just don't waste our money on foolish things that is why we have what we have.I am a plumber my wife works for a bank.We don't over spent or spent money we don't have,we save the money I make on the side is our play money ( season tickets,my golf,vacation or pay for an unexspected bill ) I don't mind seeing my tax dollars going to someone who is really in need but I have issues with people who can work ,health and able but are tro lazy or want everything handed to them which takes away from the one who are unable or in poor health.If McCain and Obama truly want to fix our health care system do something with the lazy dead beats 1st.

Here's my post now show me where I was bashing all the poor people?

Kermie wrote:

Kermie wrote: My point jc is that both my wife and I don't make alot of money,we just don't waste our money on foolish things that is why we have what we have.I am a plumber my wife works for a bank.We don't over spent or spent money we don't have,we save the money I make on the side is our play money ( season tickets,my golf,vacation or pay for an unexspected bill ) I don't mind seeing my tax dollars going to someone who is really in need but I have issues with people who can work ,health and able but are tro lazy or want everything handed to them which takes away from the one who are unable or in poor health.If McCain and Obama truly want to fix our health care system do something with the lazy dead beats 1st. Here's my post now show me where I was bashing all the poor people?

"I have issues with people who can work ,health and able but are tro lazy or want everything handed to them". implying that this is the majority of people on welfare. never mind the fact that we've had 3 gigantic corporate welfare bailouts in the last few weeks and all you can talk about is the few poor people who cheat on welfare. i KNOW what you are doing kerm. it will not work with me.

fred wrote:

"depends on how much you make, fred. if you are in the "higher income" bracket, you will benefit more from maccain's plan. if not, obama's is your plan. pretty simple. " I won't benefit. McCains plan is to leave the highest income bracket at 35%. He isn't going to lower it. He also plans on leaving the 15% on capital gains alone. Not lower it. Obama plans on raising both along with the Social Security tax.

mccain's plan does not correct for w's giveaway to the rich. obama's does. if you will be taxed more under obama's plan that is because you are "high income". of not, you aren't high income. from what you say, sounds like you are somewhere in the middle.

Wrong ,you are the one implying or injecting words in my post.If you think I was saying the majority of people on welfare are to lazy or wants everything handed to them then perhaps you are the one that is stereotyping not me.

I would say the capital gains change will effect me. But that would assume that I will have capital gains again sometime. Come to think of it. I can see where I might not have anymore capital gains if Obama is elected. so maybe I'm worrying over nothing. But if the SSI max is raised that will definately effect me. The AMT gets me also. I live in an average sized house, my wife and I both go to work everyday, we each drive 4 year old cars, I have a daughter in college(who's car is 5 years old), I will probably work until I am 67. But by Obamas defintion I am so rich I need to be taxed more.

Kermie wrote:

Wrong ,you are the one implying or injecting words in my post.If you think I was saying the majority of people on welfare are to lazy or wants everything handed to them then perhaps you are the one that is stereotyping not me.

EVERY time you post about poor people and welfare it is the same thing. you start off talking about people who are lazy, won't work and just sit around and draw welfare. EVERY time.
as soon as you spend as much time talking about the positive things that poor people do (like doing the menial, low-wage jobs that provide you with all the cheap goods and services you so enjoy) and the welfare success stories, then i will think you are up to something other than simply bashing poor people by stereoptyping them.

Obama also stated he wanted to change the retirement age to 72.